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Why Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Voyager May Never Get the HD Remaster They Deserve

Robert Meyer Burnett discusses the complications in releasing DS9 and Voyager in HD

Why Deep Space Nine and Voyager May Never Get the HD Remaster They Deserve
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The Original Series, The Next Generation and Enterprise are all available in high-definition on Blu-ray and streaming services. So, when will Deep Space Nine and Voyager be available in superior quality?

That’s a question we receive here at TrekNews.net on a regular basis. I’m talking every… single… time… we post something about either of those two shows, we inevitably get inundated with questions about it or receive tweets from readers asking why CBS is re-releasing both series on DVD, as opposed to on Blu-ray.

I get it. Believe me, I do. I’d LOVE to see both of those shows in HD. Could you imagine how great “It’s Only a Paper Moon” or “Endgame” would look in crisp high-def? I get excited just thinking about it. And I know many of you do, as well.

So, why aren’t these incredible shows getting the same treatment as the others? I recently reached out to the writer, director, producer, and editor of the incredible bonus features found on The Next Generation and Enterprise Blu-ray sets, Robert Meyer Burnett, to get some answers. Burnett was so heavily involved in the previous remastering projects, he seemed like the perfect source for answers to my burning questions.

If you’ve ever wondered about Deep Space Nine and Voyager on Blu-ray, sit back and relax as Burnett provides an enormous amount of detailed information that will most likely answer all of them.


TrekNews.Net: Over the course of the next few weeks, we’ll see CBS release complete series sets of both Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Voyager on DVD. With the remastering of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: The Original Series now complete, why do you think CBS made the decision not to do the same with those shows at this time?

Robert Meyer Burnett: A complicated question with a simple answer; It takes way too much time and money to remaster DS9 and Voyager into HD.

But I have a longer and hopefully more comprehensive answer for you. Because even after eight years since The Original Series Blu-rays hit, there’s still a great deal of misunderstanding regarding the restoration of both TOS and TNG.

Until fairly recently, both motion pictures and TV were shot mostly on 35mm film — live television, news, talk shows, game shows, soap operas, etc., were shot on various video formats, and the difference from film was readily apparent. Some television used 16mm while certain event films were shot on 65mm, but for the most part, 35mm film was the industry standard.

35mm film has a resolution of about 20 megapixels or greater. Comparatively, NTSC video, used in North America and Asia, has basically 640 pixels by 480 scan lines of resolution… far, far, FAR less than the resolution of 35mm film.

Both motion pictures and TV used to be finished the same way. After being shot on film, that film was edited, the negative was cut and prints were struck from that cut negative. All visual effects, titling, etc., were also shot on film. Depending on the finishing process, the resolution of the 35mm film was retained in the cut negative. This cut negative, properly stored and cared for, was then put away until it was needed to either strike new prints or be scanned for use on television and home video.

It was the dark times, before the rise of HD and now UHD images, ALL movies, and television originating on film were scanned down to standard definition video resolution from their original negatives. NTSC resolution in North American and Asia. So a 20-megapixel original image was scanned down to 640-pixel x 480 line image, so we could all watch them on broadcast television, and later VHS and DVD. For over 50 years, the images we all saw on TV were really quite terrible, displaying a mere small fraction of the color and clarity contained in the original 35mm camera negatives.

Burnett holding the Enterprise

Burnett holding the Enterprise model constructed by Greg Jein for the Deep Space Nine episode “Trials and Tribble-ations”

But most people didn’t know this. Or even care. Television was television, movies were movies and of course, movies looked way better when you went to the theater.

“For over 50 years, the images we all saw on TV were really quite terrible”

Here’s where it gets both interesting and maddening. In the mid-1980s, the advent of cheaper and cheaper computing technology allowed video post-production to grow more and more sophisticated. Now, a new post-production methodology, once existing only for shows originating on videotape, like soap operas and talk shows, could now be applied to shows shot originally on film. A program could be shot on 35mm film, but instead of editing on film and then cutting negative, the original 35mm material footage would instead be scanned to videotape — at NTSC resolution, and the rest of the post-production process, editing, mixing, etc., would then be completed on tape, at a reduced cost. However, NO FILM NEGATIVE WAS CUT, so the final product would only exist on videotape, at NTSC’s greatly reduced video resolution and color. True blacks, stable reds and rich blues simply didn’t exist on videotape. Those shows originally shot on 35mm, with a 20-megapixel resolution, were never to be seen again if finished on tape.

Star Trek: The Original Series, Season 2, Episode 4 "Mirror, Mirror"

Star Trek: The Original Series, Season 2, Episode 4 “Mirror, Mirror”

For certain programs, such as science fiction television, the upside of this new post-process allowed certain VFX elements to be produced far, far cheaper for television than ever before. For instance, a phaser blast or energy field, once hand-animated and shot on film, could now be generated and animated by some kind of video toaster technology at far less cost, in a much shorter time. Once, a producer might only be able to afford two phaser beams, but now they might now get themselves seven or eight blasts, allowing a much more exciting firefight. For the discerning viewer, however, this combination of film and video imagery, especially in genre programming, didn’t look very convincing, barely a step up from Land of the Lost.

The mid-80s Twilight Zone revival, as much as I adore it, is a perfect example of the incongruity of 35mm live-action photography and NTSC video generated special FX. But again, most viewers couldn’t tell the difference.

In late 1986 and early 1987, during the development of Star Trek: The Next Generation, it was decided early on the only way to produce the series on time and on budget, with all of the VFX demands Trek required, would be to shoot on 35mm film, then finish on videotape. Even the motion control model photography, with all of the individual, passes required, would be shot on 35mm and then, in an unprecedented move, actually composited on videotape using multiple, daisy-chained VTRs to minimize the reduction of resolution even further.

Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 4, Episode 26 "Redemption"

Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 4, Episode 26 “Redemption”

Unfortunately, this meant, unlike TOS and The Animated Series, there would be no 35mm finished negative of TNG… and the series would only ever exist on videotape at NTSC resolution. The same would hold true of DS9 and Voyager. Enterprise though, shot in 2001, would be future-proofed, shot on 35MM, and finished in HD, with the VFX created in CG at 720p, until the fourth season, which abandoned film altogether.

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Season 6, Episode 11 "Waltz"

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Season 6, Episode 11 “Waltz”

Starting in 2004, after the beginning of regular HD broadcasts, it quickly became apparent to anyone paying attention, standard resolution, NTSC video would soon be rendered obsolete. After seeing an HD image, who would ever want to watch standard definition video again? Studios quickly began transferring their films and television to High Definition formats, settling, until very recently, on 1080p as the industry standard, bringing up pixel dimensions to 1920×1080, roughly five times the definition of standard definition video.

For TOS and The Animated Series, the transfer into High Definition was no problem. Each episode of TOS and The Animated Series already exists as a single cut negative, so he transfer process the same as any other film or television episode with cut negative.

Star Trek: Voyager, Season 4, Episode 1 "Scorpion, Part 2"

Star Trek: Voyager, Season 4, Episode 1 “Scorpion, Part 2”

Then why does the remaster of TOS have new VFX? A few reasons, actually. Originally, optical compositing was used to create spaceship shots, with many pieces of film combined and reshot on an optical printer. This process was used since the beginning of motion pictures, but each separate film element used multiple stocks and dirt tended to build up during the mechanical process of optical printing. Butted up next to the beautiful, live-action TOS footage, the original VFX, with its added dirt and diminished resolution, looked incongruous. So, CBS decided to create NEW visual effects that would smoothly transition with the stunningly colorful, live-action photography. The new VFX created a seamless experience and, as an added benefit, updated what some see as the most dated element of the original show. Thankfully, in a wise move, CBS included both versions on their blu release.

Star Trek: Enterprise, Season 4, Episode 1 "Storm Front"

Star Trek: Enterprise, Season 4, Episode 1 “Storm Front”

But TNG, DS9, and Voyager could not be rescanned and released in Full HD, as the original edited programs only existed on tape at NTSC resolution. With worldwide markets rapidly converting to HD, modern Trek, with the exception of Enterprise, would simply no longer be shown anywhere. With TNG still the most successful Trek series by a wide margin, Paramount and CBS desperately wanted to figure out a way to not let their crown jewel get thrown onto the scrapheap of history. Something had to be done.

So a radical notion was proposed…why not go back to the original negative and REBUILD the entire show, from from the ground up, in High Definition? In the history of television, this had never been done before. Essentially, all 178 episodes of TNG (176 if you’re watching the original versions of “Encounter at Farpoint” and “All Good Things”) would have to go through the entire post-production process AGAIN. The original edits would be adhered to exactly, but all the original negative would have to be rescanned, the VFX re-composed, the footage re-color-timed, certain VFX, such as phaser blasts and energy fields, recreated in CG, and the entire soundtrack, originally only finished in 2 channel stereo, would be remastered into thunderous, 7.1 DTS.

A Herculean task, to be sure, requiring many people working full time for years, to the tune of somewhere north of twelve million dollars. The enormous sweat-equity involved required the stamina of a long-distance runner. First, ALL the original negative would have to be tracked down, which was stored in thousands of boxes, then matched to every scene and take from the original finished episodes. Then, all of that negative needed to be scanned at 2K and color-timed from scratch, as the entire color palette of the series would change. For the first time, the REAL colors could be seen. For the model photography, also completed in 35mm, and added headache was discovered; celluloid sometimes shrinks over 25 years, so many VFX passes, requiring pin-registered accuracy with sometimes over ten elements to composite wouldn’t match up, so they had to be first scanned then recomposited in the computer. While that was the plan all along, sometimes certain elements were either lost or just too damaged to use, so an entire shot would have to be recreated in CG. Then, any phasers or other effects created utilizing the original technology of the era would have to then be recreated using modern CG. This created an interesting artistic dilemma for the restoration team…re-design something to update the look, or, whenever possible, use CG to recreate something to appear as close to the original intent, by the original production team, as possible. They chose the latter (the Crystalline Entity from the first season’s “Datalore” is a great example of this).

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The Crystalline Entity from TNG-Remastered "Datalore"

The Crystalline Entity from TNG-Remastered “Datalore”

Long discussions were had about whether or not to finally go back and fix things, such as the scale issue of the various classes of Klingon Birds of Prey, but it was decided not to make such changes, and allow the show to exist as it always had. This was a philosophically different approach to the TOS restoration, which did update and modernize certain elements, to clarify or expand the storytelling. So with TNG, the long debate about whether or not the Enterprise D could actually fit inside the space dock from “11001001” will continue to rage in backgrounder circles.

From 2012 through 2014, the seven seasons of TNG, along with 5 single discs (two-part episodes cut into feature presentations) were released on Blu-Ray, with over 50 hours of newly-produced special features. The restoration remains an absolutely astonishing achievement in the annals of television and anyone watching the new versions of the episodes, can only marvel at the vast difference from the originals. Everyone involved at CBS Digital and the various other Post Houses who participated in the project deserves a hearty round of applause from fans the world over. At least the fans who appreciate and understand just how much work was done.

Unfortunately, during this same time, the popularity of streaming services skyrocketed, and the popularity of physical media began to diminish. Sales of physical discs dropped 10% a year across the board, the younger generation thought putting discs in machines was too 20th Century and even the loyal Trek fan base asked themselves, “why do I have to buy TNG YET AGAIN?” I bought the VHS tapes, the Laserdiscs and the DVDs, so do I really need the Blu-rays…? I don’t even have a Blu-ray player. Won’t it all be on Netflix anyway?” The absolutely justified high price-point of the initial Blu-ray seasons also didn’t help sales.

Ultimately, the final result of all the effort put into the restoration itself and the newly-created special features were ultimately disappointing. The disc sales didn’t match projections and continued to suffer as more and more people turned to streaming, where Star Trek was already widely available. Sure, the newly-remastered episodes of TNG have quietly replaced the original versions, but nowadays, very few people even notice, as they expect HD to look great.

Both Deep Space Nine and Voyager would require at least the same amount of time, manpower and money, but neither show was ever as popular as TNG or TOS. So, how can CBS be expected to shell out probably 20-million dollars per series to remaster them into HD?

TrekNews.net: Would remastering DS9 and Voyager be more difficult than the TOS and TNG projects were? If so, could you explain?

Robert Meyer Burnett: They absolutely would. Unlike TNG, which shot both all of their live-action and all of their model photography on 35mm film, which made scanning the original elements possible, both DS9 and Voyager made extensive use of CGI for their visual effects, especially in the later seasons. Those visual effects were rendered in standard NTSC resolution, with a maximum of 525 scan lines of resolution per second, split between two interlaced video fields of 262.5 scan lines running at 60 fields per second. So, the original resolution remains far, far below what audiences used to today’s HD, and now UHD resolutions, are accustomed to. These VFX could be upscaled 5x, but they’d have no detail. The Starship Defiant would look like a fuzzy, grey blob.

If the VFX assets originally created for the shows could be acquired, which is a HUGE if, they could be reworked and re-rerendered in 2K resolution for Blu-ray, but even then, VFX artists would have to go in and add all kinds of upgrades to the original shots to make the ships, planets, weapons fire and explosions. They look like they fit in with the gorgeous live-action photography. This would entail a number of artists working many, many long hours at considerable expense.

During the latter seasons of the TNG restoration, Mojo, one of the original, Emmy-Winning VFX artists on Voyager, who, at the time, was still in possession of many of the original DS9 and Voyager VFX assets, did a re-rendering VFX test on footage from “The Sacrifice of Angels.” The test really looked spectacular and proved it could be done. But again, it would still take very talented VFX artists working long hours to accomplish the number of shots required for the episodes at great cost.

However, since then, I’ve heard many of these assets have been lost, either through drive failure or simply the dumping of all the original data.

The only alternative would be to re-create all of the CG VFX shots from scratch, much the same way CBS Digital re-created TOS’ visual effects. But with the number of elements needed during DS9’s Dominion War arc, with sometimes hundreds of starships in combat, this could cost in the millions, if not tens of millions of dollars, depending on who was doing the VFX.

TrekNews.net: Do you think CBS All Access could be the impetus for CBS to remaster those shows?

Robert Meyer Burnett: Hard to say, but probably no. Like Amazon and Netflix have already discovered, the success of All Access depends on whether or not there’s enough exclusive content to convince viewers to sign up. Star Trek: Discovery is a good start, but it remains to be seen if it can not only recapture the fanbase but also be destination viewing for an entirely new audience. But until All Access has Netflix money to burn, there’s not going to be a DS9 or Voyager restoration anytime soon. Again, you’re looking at eight years and perhaps 40 million dollars of work.

TrekNews.net: Are you aware of any newly recorded bonus material that will appear on the new DS9 and Voyager DVD sets?

Robert Meyer Burnett: With the meteoric rise of streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon, and the inevitable steady decline of physical media, the studios are spending very little money on special features these days. Warner Home Video even returned to static disc menus, not seen since the early days of the DVD format, to keep budgets down. For special features auteurist such as myself, it’s very disheartening. Fortunately, boutique companies like SHOUT Factory, Arrow and Criterion are keeping the art alive, but at substantially reduced budgets. Flying up to Calgary to do a live, multi-camera shoot with the entire cast of TNG, as we did, is certainly a thing of the past. Thankfully, you can see me host this amazing reunion on the TNG – Season Two Blu-ray set.

For the TNG Remastering project, both Roger Lay Jr. and I, and Star Trek fans everywhere, were extremely lucky to have Ken Ross, the Executive Vice President and General Manager of CBS Home Entertainment, overseeing the entire restoration, including all of our special features. A huge proponent of the TNG project from the very beginning, he not only convinced CBS such a restoration was possible but essential. Ken shook loose the millions of dollars needed to restore all 178 episodes of TNG. He was also personally responsible for securing the involvement of all of the principal cast for our special features. Ken is a legend in the home video business, beginning his career just out of college in the early 80s, working for Andre Blay’s Magnetic Video, one of the very first home video companies ever, eventually acquired by 20th Century Fox and becoming CBS/FOX Home Entertainment.

Also, because Roger and I were such fanatical Trek fans, we delivered far, far more special features than we ever contracted to produce. We just thought up cool pieces and produced them, such as the writer’s roundtable on the TNG Season Three set. For instance, because we knew he was such a fanatical TNG fan, we thought Seth MacFarlane would be perfect to host the roundtable. We asked Brannon Braga, at the time working with Seth on Cosmos, if he might host and to put in a good word for us. Brannon said “sure,” so one day, Roger just called up Seth and asked him to host the roundtable, and he agreed. We certainly couldn’t pay him for his services, but because he loved Trek, not only showed up but arrived with pages and pages of hand-written research notes and delivered a rollicking conversation with the TNG writing staff which has since been ripped off for other shows many times since. For our Enterprise cast reunion, we basically shot the entire 90-minute piece for free, the actors agreeing to participate simply because Brannon Braga was involved and they’d loved the show. As an aside, I think Bacula agreed because he wanted to give Brannon shit for the series finale of Enterprise.

Unfortunately, the TNG Blu-rays, after a promising start, simply didn’t sell as well as expected, and the expense of producing such an amazing restoration wasn’t as immediately profitable as first hoped. Neither the unprecedented restoration, nor our extensive special features, enticed enough of the fanbase to double, or even, in some cases, triple-dip — which is a shame, because I can honestly say the TNG Blu-rays, along with The Twilight Zone Blu-rays, remain the two greatest television releases of the home video era.

After the wonderful recent Original Series feature releases and the Roddenberry Vault, with special features also produced by Roger Lay Jr. and the Okudas, I expect we won’t see such special features on future Trek releases, with perhaps Star Trek: Discovery being an exception. I know there was a shortlist of very capable special feature producers for the production, and any one of them could produce some amazing material.

However, Executive Producer Ira Steven-Behr is producing his own Deep Space Nine documentary with the same team who produced Adam Nimoy’s For the Love of Spock, which I’m very much looking forward to.

Finally, I’d like to encourage everyone who hasn’t already done so to pick up the TNG Complete Series Box set. Along with the series itself, there are some amazing special features on the disc that will absolutely delight longtime fans. I spent three years of my life on the project and I’m just as proud of my work on the special features as anything else I’ve done in my career.

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As always, Live Long and Prosper… or, Love Long and Party… whichever you prefer!


I’d like to thank Robert Meyer Burnett for the in-depth and thoughtful answers. I sincerely hope this information will help clear up any confusion surrounding the remastering projects.

You can follow Rob on Twitter @BurnettRM.

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387 Comments

387 Comments

  1. JDWFilms

    February 2, 2017 at 2:00 pm

    This was very enlightening, and he did a great job explaining something that could have been very difficult to understand. Thank you!

    • Brian Wilkins

      February 3, 2017 at 10:33 am

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. It’s a lot of info but I think it’s important to get it out there.

  2. NotBuyingIt

    February 2, 2017 at 2:21 pm

    Great article, but why not crowd fund a restoration and let the fans that want it support it? If cost is the factor, with crowd funding, if it makes enough to get done, it gets done, otherwise it doesn’t. It seems like a no brainer to me. They could have special box sets for backers, etc. Sell some film cells as part of a bundle, etc. I bet some super fans would really get behind this.

    • Credo

      February 2, 2017 at 2:50 pm

      I was thinking the same thing about crowd funding, but then you have a lot of CBS haters who don’t even want to pay a few dollars to watch Discovery unfortunately…

      • John Moore

        February 2, 2017 at 2:56 pm

        RMB knows a chap who has some experience with crowd funding.

        • Dusty Ayres

          February 5, 2017 at 8:37 am

          Crowdfunding isn’t going to work for this; you all should have bought the Next Generation Blu-Ray’s, and that’s it. Money talks, and CBS/Paramount aren’t charities (especially not charities for fans.)

          • DirkBelig

            February 5, 2017 at 9:51 pm

            You seem unclear as to how crowdfunding works. If CBS set the mark for producing a series remaster at $20M and 200,000 fans ponied up $100 each with a disc set as their swag (think of it as a really early pre-order), then where’s the charity?

            If the fans don’t chip in, CBS is out nothing – they can say there’s not enough demand and wash their hands. If they get their costs covered, then they make the remasters, ship the donors their copies and have retail units to sell and they can syndicate the new shinies. Everyone wins.

          • IAF101

            February 21, 2017 at 11:02 pm

            CBS is a big corporation with loads of inefficiencies and unions and what not. A remaster by fans of the show working through collaboration across the world would be cheaper and would be way more affordable. Instead of letting the films ROT in their boxes the decent thing would be for CBS to retain ownership while letting fans pay for any remastering.

          • Dusty Ayres

            February 26, 2017 at 2:55 am

            It’s not going to be done no matter what you and others here say, and I hope that it won’t be.

          • Michael Kurland

            March 4, 2017 at 11:07 am

            You’d better be wrong about that, bub!

          • Dusty Ayres

            March 5, 2017 at 2:44 pm

            I’m NOT wrong, and it’s not going to happen, period.

          • Marvin Miller

            August 16, 2017 at 9:55 pm

            Because Dusty said so, it must be true.

          • David Hinkle

            January 4, 2018 at 11:38 pm

            It’s never going to happen because the TNG Blu rays didn’t sell well enough to justify the cost to remaster deep space nine

          • Beetlescott

            January 9, 2018 at 1:46 pm

            I think it will be done, but much later than now, when costs for it go way down.

          • PoobahIII

            July 6, 2020 at 4:58 pm

            I’m predicting we will see a Blu-ray release in the 23rd century.

          • Beetlescott

            January 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm

            That is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

          • Marvin Miller

            August 18, 2017 at 10:38 pm

            You tell ’em Dusty, after all, you are the way the truth and the light.

          • john morris

            July 14, 2017 at 1:26 am

            It’s $20 million now. Ten years from now costs will drop.

          • Dusty Ayres

            July 14, 2017 at 2:21 am

            Not enough for a big company like CBS to be committing money for it to be put on Blu-Ray or 4K. Time to stop being a deluded fool.

          • Marvin Miller

            August 16, 2017 at 9:55 pm

            Yes, listen to Dusty – he knows things.

          • Beetlescott

            January 9, 2018 at 1:47 pm

            agreed. Voyager has always been my favorite, I can wait, it WILL happen.

          • Tossaway

            March 4, 2017 at 8:30 pm

            If the remastering work isn’t done by union members, and everyone qualified to do it *that would be granted access to the data* is a union member, then CBS is not going to be involved, because modern contracts cover this kind of stuff. We think Trek is magical and special, and it is, but that doesn’t change the reality of Hollywood.

          • polymetisOdysseus

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            This isn’t REALLY about Star Trek, is it, Tossaway?

          • Real Anti-Racist Action

            July 1, 2017 at 8:49 pm

            I did, I went to Wal-Mart that night on release night, I thought it was going to be big! Walmart had it in the system, but none in store haha. It took them almost two weeks to put them on the shelves, I had to go three days later to a Hastings when they finally had it on the shelve.
            I bought all of the seasons as soon as they come out, plus the special double episodes turned into mini-movies.
            I have been thinking about buying doubles of all of them now just to keep in my safe for future generations and to help give more money to CBS for future Star Trek release!
            Plus I own all of the movies on Blu-ray.
            CBS should release TNG now on the 2K transfer they already made.
            Lets us half it in 2K, they already mastered it in 2K.

            But you are right, more ‘Trekkies’ should have assisted us REAL Trekkers in buying them early when they were all released so it would look to CBS and be a REAL SUCCESS!

          • Dusty Ayres

            July 2, 2017 at 12:29 am

            Good to see a sensible person doing what should have been done by most of the whiners on this site commenting on this article. I salute you for what you’ve done.

          • Shelly Winfrey

            July 17, 2017 at 7:56 pm

            I salute you with the middle finger, you Tribbling Troll!

          • Marvin Miller

            August 16, 2017 at 9:54 pm

            Yes, you decide who is sensible Dusty. Mighty big of you!

          • Eric Adam Hovis

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            Wow this Dusty guy is so toxic. I’m not sure why he needed to be so forceful about his crystal ball predictions. “IT”LL NEVER HAPPEN!!!” I don’t understand why someone would get so annoyed by others getting excited, looking for solutions, or having hope.

            I’m hoping costs go down, or a crowdfunding thing happens. I want a blu ray voyager series.

          • Green Sanic

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            Dusty, just because you don’t feel embarrassed by your constant overuse of unnecessary italics and saying the non-word “frak” doesn’t mean you aren’t embarrassing yourself. The latter is incredibly telling, by the way. As is your anime avatar featuring a fedora. I mean damn, just look at yourself.

            I dgaf that this is a year old. I doubt you’ve improved much since then.

          • Zachariah Dearing

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            What about people like me, who didn’t have a job and/or the spare money to buy stuff like that at the time? I mean, I was still a teenager when the Blu-Rays were coming out, and I still don’t even own a Blu-Ray player. Now, I do have some income, and I’d be interested in helping to crowdfund something like this.

      • Nytegaunt

        February 2, 2017 at 6:58 pm

        I think CBS started that hate. I don’t mind paying for something, it just insults me that the only reason I am having to pay for it is because I live in the U.S..

        • Dusty Ayres

          February 5, 2017 at 8:40 am

          I’m sorry, but that’s bullcrap. Nobody’s ‘insulting’ you because now you might have to pay for a streaming service just to watch a new Star Trek show.

          • Nytegaunt

            February 5, 2017 at 1:28 pm

            I clearly stated that I don’t mind paying for it. Why not address what I actually said if you are going to respond?

        • Ghost Robot Venture

          February 5, 2017 at 8:25 pm

          Everyone outside the US and Canada is paying for it as well via Netflix.

          • Nytegaunt

            February 6, 2017 at 10:03 am

            No, no they are not. Everywhere else gets it on regular CBS broadcast. It is available on Netflix as well, outside of the US, but it is still on broadcast television. In the US, it’s CBS All Access or nothing. Not even on Netflix, which I also already pay for. In short, I pay for CBS through my cable company as well as paying for Netflix. Either of those would get me the show were I in Europe, neither will get me the show because I am in the US.

          • Ghost Robot Venture

            February 6, 2017 at 5:15 pm

            Uh, it’s exclusive to Netflix in 188 territories outside the US and Canada. I don’t know where you’re getting “regular CBS broadcast” from. I pay for Netflix in Australia, so yeah, I’m paying for it too.

          • Nytegaunt

            February 9, 2017 at 8:50 pm

            That seems to have changed with the Netflix contract so I stand corrected. Doesn’t change how I feel however. How would you, as an Aussie Netflix user, feel if you had to sign up for yet another service to see it?

          • Ghost Robot Venture

            February 9, 2017 at 11:26 pm

            I’m also signed up to Stan (a local streaming service) and Amazon Prime (which only just launched here), so I’m honestly wouldn’t be that fussed. They have to make their investment back on it, or it gets cancelled. TNG, DS9 and VOY all debuted on VHS in Australia ahead of their late-night, often delayed TV airings, so it’s not like I’ve ever gotten Trek “for free.”

          • Adam Bentley

            February 9, 2017 at 12:52 am

            You’re wrong. It’s not on regular broadcast at all. It’s only on Netflix outside of US/Canada. You’re part of the problem with false misleading info being spread.

          • Nytegaunt

            February 9, 2017 at 8:48 pm

            I stand corrected, it looks as if the broadcast in Europe went away with the Netflix deal. It really doesn’t change my opinion, however, as it doesn’t change the point. I will pay more because I am a US Netflix member. I guess you are a member of the “take advantage of who you can” club. A very Star Trek point of view (yes, that was sarcasm).

          • Adam Bentley

            February 22, 2017 at 7:28 pm

            No, I’m part of the “Be grateful and happy ST is coming back club” and the “Who gives a fuck if we have to pay a few dollars a month club”.

          • Nytegaunt

            February 23, 2017 at 9:01 am

            When one does not give a fuck a fucking is what one shall get. My country is a shining example of it.

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 16, 2017 at 9:24 pm

            Me too.

          • Connor Murray

            February 7, 2017 at 9:04 am

            We don’t even get CBS in the UK so that’s not true.

          • john morris

            July 14, 2017 at 1:44 am

            Shows are purchased all the time by foreign networks. Just because CBS makes some announcement about only on “our special CBS web -thingy-service” is by no means permanent or is it etched in stone. It might be a year or two years later but assuming the show gets good ratings, why wouldn’t CBS sell it. Remember, money talks and bullshit walks.

          • LeopoldoGaltieri

            September 10, 2017 at 6:44 am

            Yes we do!

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            You’ll be getting it eventually (we Canadians are getting CBSAA this year so most likely, you Brits will be getting it too.)

          • john morris

            July 14, 2017 at 1:35 am

            Your information is out of date. I guess Americans really don’t know what is going on outside of their borders. CBS just made a big deal with Bell Media. Bell Media owns the Space Channel. There was a big announcement months ago – Us Canadians (in Southern Ontario at least) will be watching Star Trek Discovery on the Space Channel…For free. While those of us who have the Space Channel in our cable/satellite packages will see it for free. In other words I won’t have to pay any extra. Anyway, I still don’t see what the fuss is all about. You just buy the show as new seasons come out on Blu-Ray or DVD.

          • Ghost Robot Venture

            July 20, 2017 at 11:22 pm

            I’m Australian, but yeah I take your point.

      • kadajawi

        February 14, 2017 at 6:55 pm

        I probably won’t be paying CBS for Discovery, but I would sure as hell pay them for DS9.

        • john morris

          July 14, 2017 at 1:55 am

          Why, what is wrong with DS9? I agree the pilot was bad and confusing. I know a lot of people who wanted to watch DS9; but couldn’t follow the show because of the stupid pilot. And the first season was crappy too. Or are you one of those fans that won’t watch Star Trek unless there is a ship called Enterprise on it? No offense sir but the Star trek universe is more than that. If you don’t like it, then you don’t like. Just curious, what is it about DS9 that you don’t like? If I may ask?

          • ADz

            August 16, 2017 at 9:42 pm

            You obviously didn’t read what you replied to properly. He never said he disliked DS9, quite the opposite. He said he would gladly pay for DS9.

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            But he’s not going to get it, no matter how much he whines his butthurt fanboy ass off about it. It’s high time for him, Eric and others here to face facts; the franchise has moved on from TNG/DS9/Voyager to Discovery and streaming, and there’s no looking back.

      • Real Anti-Racist Action

        July 1, 2017 at 8:44 pm

        I would pay $500 dollars to help fund DS9 to be restored into 4K and I would pay $600 to help Voyager be restored as well!
        However, I would pay $200 to stop Discovery from being launched as a platform to hijack and erode what real Star Trek has built up.
        Gene Roddenberry warned all of is in his interview titled “Inside Star Trek with Gene Roddenberry” that forces would attempts to use Star Trek in the future to steer people for political and social gain to control people.
        Real Star Trek is not Liberal or Conservative, it is more center and Libertarian with Kirk and Picard and Janeway always giving the speech about (personal freedoms over the state).

        I promise you three things bout this new series
        #1 It will not be science based, but will instead be replaced with emotionalism based on emotional-wishing.
        #2 Will not have the morality argument centered on personal freedoms.
        #3 Will have political motivations behind all of the dialog and visual imaging.
        Another-words, a perfect CIA tool to help social engineer the masses.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VpgoyhUrMc

        • diamond

          July 9, 2017 at 6:11 pm

          fuck off you brain-dead moron, go back to sucking Trump’s dick.

          • Dan Heffernan

            July 9, 2017 at 6:54 pm

            Triggered beta cuckboi is triggered.

          • diamond

            July 9, 2017 at 11:26 pm

            anyone who uses “cuckboi” and “triggered” as insults is a brain-dead piece of shit who cannot be taken seriously, go back to Infowars and suck off Alex Jones you worthless fucking cocksucker, go play in traffic.

          • Dan Heffernan

            July 10, 2017 at 1:40 am

            Face it cuckboi you’re a triggered pansy who is a true cuckold little bitch. Sorry that you are offended I call women as I see them. Go suck your mommies teat this is the real world and you’re failing at it.

      • Dusty Ayres

        February 4, 2021 at 2:35 pm

        Exactly that, Credo. Yet, they simply expect this company to lose millions making Blu-Ray and 4K box sets of two shows in this franchise that are, through no fault of their own, not as popular as the other older ones or as popular as the new ones.

    • Ben

      February 2, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      Yep I’d pay 90’s VHS prices for an Episode.

      • Dusty Ayres

        February 5, 2017 at 8:41 am

        Except you’re NOT living in the ’90’s now, and you have to pay 2010’s prices for 2010’s media.

        • Ben

          February 5, 2017 at 10:48 am

          Wow thanks for the reality check, I’d never herd of inflation till now. That doesn’t change my statement.

          • Nytegaunt

            February 5, 2017 at 1:31 pm

            I actually think VHS tapes in the 90’s were more expensive than a lot of DVD/BR stuff now. Particularly in the early 90’s.

          • David Robbins

            December 29, 2017 at 4:58 pm

            They were here in the UK. CIC Video released the videos here two episodes per tape. TOS were £9.99 per tape, later £10.99. TNG started at £10.21 and by tape 89 were about £12.99. DS9 and Voyager were £14.99 or £15.99 per tape by the time I stopped buying them about 1997/1998. Must have spent a good £2000 over 7 years or so. TNG on VHS must have cost me at least £1000 to buy. Makes 7 TNG DVD box sets a bargain by comparison when they were released in 2003.

          • Dusty Ayres

            February 5, 2017 at 3:12 pm

            Did you ever hear of ‘this is not possible’ as mentioned in the article? Or did that pass right above your head?

          • Ben

            February 6, 2017 at 3:56 am

            Obviously you’ve forgotten Star Trek’s history. You can thank us unrealistic fans for everything beyond TOS season 2. YOUR WELCOME!!!

          • Dusty Ayres

            February 6, 2017 at 5:05 pm

            Said letter writing campaigns were organized by Gene Roddenberry and not (really) by the fans.

          • Ben

            February 21, 2017 at 7:42 pm

            So one guy suggested it and thousands of fans did it. What’s the ratio there are you any good at math?

          • Dusty Ayres

            February 26, 2017 at 3:06 am

            Gene orchestrated all of the letter writing campaigns in a (some would say) cynical move to get Star Trek back on the air for one more season. All of these were set up and paid for by him out of his own pocket. To say that the fans did it all by themselves is wrong and incorrect historically (check out the book Gene Roddenberry: The Man And The Myth Behind Star Trek for more.)

            As for the crowdfunding idea to have fans do this, it’s been explained by others here why this won’t work, but like little children, the rest of you all won’t listen, because of a stupid belief in the power of Star Trek fandom to accomplish anything (also something that’s part of other sci-fi media fandoms like this one.)

          • MJ71

            April 29, 2017 at 8:43 pm

            But isn’t that one of the pillars of Trek?
            Do do this impossible and never stop trying?

            I get that you are trying to be practical and the voice of reason here, but if someone wants to start a kickstarter for DS9 or Voyager, I’m in. So tired of the lower resolution, aliasing artifacts and poor quality of Voyager Eps (for example) that I find myself watching on BBCA. Both of these shows had their faults also had some incredibly good story-telling and “what if” scenarios in the ST Universe. I think for the larger “sake of Trek” these series should be preserved as best as possible. We also know now, why the TNG BluRay set wasn’t an initial financial success. It was bad timing as distribution model was in the midst of change.

            Going fwd we have had some time make streaming viable. Heck, if CBS needs evidence of the love for DS9 and Voyager, I’ll buy a series Blu-ray copy of TNG today. I think there is distrust toward CBS / Paramount based on how they treated / put rules in place for Fan Fiction last year. They don’t completely understand their fanbase. Hopefully that can change with more vocal fans and campaigns to save / re-release old series.

          • john morris

            July 14, 2017 at 2:00 am

            The faulty Nelson rating system was to blame. It showed Star Trek low in the ratings, when in fact it was doing very well. This is a known fact.

          • Dusty Ayres

            July 14, 2017 at 2:20 am

            No, it wasn’t doing well, and was losing money for NBC (losing it so much that it was hurting any program that was shone on the same night as it-which is why it was moved to the Friday night ‘death slot’.

          • John Goren

            July 16, 2017 at 6:40 pm

            Yes it was, too!

          • Wallard

            February 20, 2017 at 3:06 am

            No one cares about you old folks and your holier than thou “we saved Star Trek so we’re owed everything” attitude

          • Ben

            February 21, 2017 at 8:02 pm

            Did you miss the point above, we are offering to fund it for them. That’s the opposite of being “owed everything”. That rules out any finance excuses. If people are willing to pay half a million for a DS9 doco then they will easily pay a few million for season 1 crowd funding. The only excuse left is if they are too embarrassed to use that style of funding. Also don’t assume my age, I didn’t purchase anything until I herd TNG was coming to bluray.

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            Did you not get it; CBS isn’t going to take crowd-sourced money from anybody to remaster either DS9 or Voyager. It seems that you don’t get what I said about using reason to guide what you say.

          • Dusty Ayres

            February 26, 2017 at 3:12 am

            You tell them. Theses idiots don’t get it at all.

          • Ben

            March 4, 2017 at 6:41 am

            You don’t get it, DS9 HD clips and re-rendered CGI are inbound via crowd funding. You will eat your words in the years to come.

          • Dusty Ayres

            March 5, 2017 at 2:45 pm

            Eat my words? No executive is going to risk their neck in letting fans do this, ever. And they should’t do so.

          • Ben

            March 6, 2017 at 12:16 am

            I hate to repeat myself but they are already doing CROWD FUNDED HD clips. It doesn’t matter what you think. It matter’s what happens. You’ve been wrong already, why would anyone believe you now.

          • David Hinkle

            January 4, 2018 at 11:47 pm

            There is no crowd funding your obviously lying or your reading false information

          • Marvin Miller

            August 16, 2017 at 9:52 pm

            Dusty knows things.

          • Dan Heffernan

            May 23, 2017 at 11:16 pm

            Ssshhh he’s a liberal don’t waste your time with valid points.

          • diamond

            July 9, 2017 at 6:14 pm

            go back to Breitbart dumb motherfucker

          • Dan Heffernan

            July 9, 2017 at 6:54 pm

            Go back to your parents basement and cry more liberal tears you triggered pussy.

          • diamond

            July 9, 2017 at 11:22 pm

            Go suck Trump’s you worthless cocksucking piece of fucking dogshit, you’re the only who’s “triggered” here you shitstain pussy.

            You have to be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet.

          • Dan Heffernan

            July 10, 2017 at 1:38 am

            Yoy are the only crybaby pussy, as for assuming that I like Trump, you’re not only a crybaby bitch but a moron. You are the reason why the movie Idiocracy is now a documentary. Stick that in your dildo and smoke it crybaby Fuckboi.

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            What the frak does my political bent have to do with this?

          • Marvin Miller

            August 16, 2017 at 9:52 pm

            Dusty, Jerry says you are special.

          • scott

            July 16, 2017 at 5:06 pm

            I’d build the models of the ships in the early 70’s and shoot at them with my BB gun, that saucer section was hard to f-up bro.

          • Wiseguy

            November 20, 2017 at 11:57 am

            You are = you’re, not your.

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            All that was started (and paid for) by Gene Roddenberry back in the late ’60’s (at one big supposedly ‘fan’-driven and ‘fan’ organized protest outside NBC in Los Angeles, guess who was watching the proceedings a few feet away on a motorbike, completely clad in black from head to toe? Roddenberry, who paid for it-and following protests-out of his pockets.)

            Please stop regurgitating the bullcrap myths that Roddenberry (and others) spouted at conventions in the 1970’s and ’80’s.

          • SteveRanden

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            *You’re

          • Marvin Miller

            August 16, 2017 at 9:52 pm

            Dusty, you’re my hero.

          • Ben

            August 17, 2017 at 8:15 am

            Lol yeah you can tell Dusty and Diamond are SJW’s. The self self righteousness is palpable.

          • Marvin Miller

            August 17, 2017 at 3:22 pm

            How much you want to bet he voted for Hillary and is a card-carrying Liberal? Those are usually the ones that cannot resist telling everyone what to do and how to think.

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            I’m not an SJW, dufus; I’m a longtime fan of this franchise (since the early 70’s) who understands the realities of home video nowadays and why certain things make a profit and others don’t. Do you?

          • Dusty Ayres

            August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

            Why not try using reason for a change and learning about financial matters related to companies so that instead of acting like a spoiled brat who expects to have candy every day, you under stand that some things cannot be as far as home video (demand and supply) is concerned?

      • David Robbins

        December 29, 2017 at 4:43 pm

        I paid an absolute fortune for Star Trek TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY on VHS way back in the 1990s. Two episodes were £10 each, later as much as £15 each when I stopped buying them. Towards the end of TNG run they were releasing 3 tapes at a time about each month or two. Must have spent at least £2000 on Star Trek releases back then in the 90s. Todays kids don’t know how good they have it with box sets on DVD/BD costing a fraction of what the VHS’s cost on release.

        And that figure doesn’t include the cost of what I spent on importing Star Trek laserdiscs from the states in the late 90s/early 2000s. I paid well over £100 on one STTNG laserdisc just to complete the set. And on top of that the customs charges. I once imported the first TNG season on LD and had to pay £65 in import, VAT and admin fees.

        • Tom Cruise Never Phones It IN

          August 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm

          Exactly, I would rent TOS episodes on VHS for $4 each and then I bought a few of the first DVD’s that had two episodes on each disc for $15 and I recently bought TOS complete series on blu ray for $24.

    • Ben Eklom

      February 3, 2017 at 1:27 am

      I have never seen a crowdfunded product that made $20 million, it seems unlikely.

      • Jogi6

        February 3, 2017 at 4:14 am

        Have you ever heard of “Star Citizen”, it’s a game and they rased $142,443,678
        https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

        • Dusty Ayres

          February 5, 2017 at 3:14 pm

          Have you ever heard of ‘that’s not a realistic option?’

      • Dusty Ayres

        February 5, 2017 at 3:13 pm

        It’s also stupid, just as stupid as the fundraising for a fifth season of Enterprise.

    • Brian Wilkins

      February 3, 2017 at 10:34 am

      While it’s a great idea, I honestly don’t see CBS going the crowdfunding route anytime soon.

      • Morgan Smith

        February 3, 2017 at 1:55 pm

        If not crownfunding, maybe crowdsourcing the edits? I have, and others have, recommended making the scanned footage available to fans/teams of fans (via some webportal) to allow the fans to edit (including adding new HD CGI) episodes/scenes for CBS. Yeah, there would be the issue of getting the contractual bits ironed out (access to footage, use, etc.), but this way there wouldn’t be an issue with money.

        Even if this was just restricted to having fans produce CGI sequences/elements, leaving the rest of the editing to CBS, that would take a lot of the costs off of CBS.

        Please float these ideas to Mr. Burnett or your other contacts and see if they can get any traction.

        And thanks for the great article!

        • AlanHK

          February 4, 2017 at 11:42 am

          Crowdsourcing — who’s going to do QC? How do you tell some “superfan” that he’s incompetent and should just stay away? Then there’s the minefield of copyright. No matter what waivers people sign, some will be pissed off about some editorial choice and make a huge stink and threaten to sue and claim their work has been stolen/is libellous, etc, etc. Whatever the merits it will soak up legal fees. Managing and coordinating all these amateurs would cost more than just hiring pros who do what they’re told on time and don’t talk back.

          Anyway; I watched TV in the 60s on 20″ b/w screen. It was and always is the story and the actors that made it worth the time. More DPI doesn’t make a better show. It’s nice, and I like my 40″ HD screen, but if a show I’m interested in is only in a fuzzy 360p VHS rip, I’ll watch it rather than some modern idiocy in 1080p pure digital.